Socrates presents himself as a would-be lover of Alcibiades, one who has, for some reason, never approached him before and who persists in his interest in Alcibiades even after the other suitors have turned their attention elsewhere. He also had a staggeringly quick rise to power in Athens. It seems surprising to me that Wohl understands AI according to this configuration, since Plato says that it is the beloved who comes to see himself in the eyes of the lover (133c) -- in this case, Socrates. Ultimately, the divine sign equates with the divinely inspired lover. Socrates and Alcibiades are two of the most colorful characters in Athenian history, and understanding their friendship is central to understanding Plato's political philosophy as well as Athens itself, the city that could not help but kill a philosopher. Reshotko, N. 2006. His family was one of the most distinguished in Greece. Alcibiades, Socrates guesses, wants to rule the world, and Alcibiades, in effect, confirms this statement because he doesn’t deny it. Mintoff explores the soundness of this thesis by discussing the idea of expert disagreement. Plutarch refutes this and another anecdote from Antiphon with the observation that one who confessed that he abused Alcibiades through hatred should not be trusted. For example, the drunken Alcibiades—now at the height of his fame and power in Athens—never once mentions the Socratic refutations, or the Morpeth queries what it means to be that kind of culturally constructed individual who is part literary device, part philosophical exemplum, part historical personage. It so happened that on the eve of Athens’ setting sail with a vast armada to conquer Sicily, which was again Alcibiades’ plan, some young men happened to mutilate certain religious statues, which was taken to be a very bad omen by the masses. 21d6) " with the AI's alternative formula, "whoever knows he doesn't know." Ap 36e9) to Aeschines' Alcibiades, shows us a person supremely devoted to the well being of others. Neil Morpeth provides a diachronic survey of the Alcibiades persona, from ancient historical sources to modern dramatic adaptations. Matthew Sharpe offers a study of Alcibiades II, a dialogue often seen as written by one of Plato's inferior imitators. The first essay, by the co-editor Marguerite Johnson, scales AI and Socratic eros more generally alongside the priamels of Sappho, showing that the criterion for choice of love object can be in itself a spur to philosophy: why this particular individual? Alcibiades, brilliant but unscrupulous Athenian politician and military commander who provoked the sharp political antagonisms at Athens that were the main causes of Athens’ defeat by Sparta in the Peloponnesian War (431–404 bc). There, the beloved takes in and assimilates the image of the lover and so becomes more like the lover through imitation. But the many disagree with each other; therefore, they don't make good teachers. In Xenophon’s chapter of the Memorabilia meant to clear Socrates of the charge of corrupting the young, Xenophon is forced to explain, or explain away, their connection. The author of Alcibiades II thus appropriates this word for the negative column. In Socrates and Alcibiades, Ariel Helfer provides a new interpretation of Plato's account of the relationship between Socrates and the infamous Athenian general Alcibiades, in the process revealing a complex Platonic teaching on the nature and corruptibility of political ambition. This bit of Alcibiades lore is related in one of two dialogues attributed to Phaedo of Elis, a member of the Socratic circle and most famously the companion portrayed in Plato's eponymous dialogue. This edited volume is based on a conference held at the University of Newcastle (Australia) in 2008 on the topic of Alcibiades I (henceforth AI ).The fourteen papers and two appendices range temporally and even geographically in their approaches, from Harold Tarrant's stellar historical and linguistic research into the dating of AI to a "rain on your parade" essay by Fergus King highlighting the repudiation of the lover-educator model in Philo of Alexandria (with the chilling title, "Ice-cold in Alex"). Its more obvious stylistic affinities are with dialogues also found in Tetralogy VII and generally thought to be spurious, Alcibiades II and Hipparchus. But how does it advance the study of Plato's philosophy, especially given the uncertainty, which the volume does nothing to resolve, concerning the authenticity of the AI? They tend to be placed in the volume according to a chronological scheme, from the archaic to the modern period. This can be seen in the relationship between Socrates and Alcibiades in a double way, according to the doubling of their images as simultaneously. There he sought to wield as much influence as he could. Princeton. Why? He had a close relationship with Socrates, whom he admired and admired. He was married to Hipparete, a wealthy Athenian woman. (117a5-d6) Not thinking one knows is a condition of self-knowledge; moreover, as one is not falsely conceited, there is room to acquire the knowledge that he lacks. Shouldn't we aim to answer this question first? He enjoys an important afterlife, in literature and art, having acquired symbolic status as the personification of ambition and sexual profligacy. However, these writings mention that Alcibiades was of an “unruly” nature … In the past it has suffered from a lack of philosophical attention. Alcibiades wanted to become Socrates's lover while Socrates himself as a real philosopher was above carnal pleasures and was interested in becoming Alcibiades mentor. In these works Plato groups Alcibiades together with Critias as part of a larger class of criminally minded demagogues, or as only serving as a reflex of the larger impetus toward imperialism that was ultimately born in the ambitions of those who were more reputable, as for example, Pericles. Socrates' claim to erotic expertise implies that he has been initiated into the highest possible degree of erotic mystery and so is now irrevocably and only a lover of the form of beauty, which is not and cannot be located in individuals. Socrates’ admirers and successors in the fourth century and beyond often felt the need to explain Socrates’ reputed relationship with Alcibiades, and to defend Socrates against the charge that he was a corrupting influence on Alcibiades. The dialogue takes place on the eve of Alcibiades’ planned entrance into Athenian democratic politics. Once a boy grew a beard, however, all bets were off. 14 Ibid., 215d. The lover then facilitates self-realization in the beloved. Possibly the dialogue alludes to Athens' failure to protect the island, its ally, from Alexander, tyrant of Pherae (Diodorus 15.93 and Polyanenus fr. There, some Persian agents, probably acting on a Spartan directive, assassinated Alcibiades in 404 BC. In "Ice-Cold in Alex", King extinguishes the incendiary passions of the Hellenic type, the lover-educator, with the glacial precepts of Jewish law, on the one hand, and ethnic prejudice against effeminate Hellenes, on the other. Alcibiades was one of Socrates’ more beloved and assiduous students, who appears in four dialogues. In Socrates and Alcibiades, Ariel Helfer gathers Plato's three major presentations of Alcibiades: the Alcibiades, the Second Alcibiades, and the Symposium. Learn more about the Greek politicians whose voices rose above the fray. Learn more about how Acibiades military genius and political skill restores Athens to a commanding position. Socrates is a mirror not only, as AI demonstrates, of the faults and vices of the beloved/interlocutor, but also, as Tarrant hints, of what other commentators have called the "theomorphic self" that appears in the person of Socrates. Learn more about Alcibiades one of the most fascinating and disturbing characters in all of Greek history, Alcibiades managed to fight on three different sides in the same war…. Reviewed by Sara Ahbel-Rappe, University of Michigan, Again, do we not read how Socrates was stigmatized by the 'physiognomist' Zopyrus, who professed to discover men's entire characters and natures from their body, eyes, face and brow? Counter to conventional interpretation, Helfer reads these texts as presenting a coherent narrative, spanning nearly two decades, of the relationship between Socrates and his most notorious pupil. Specifically, the erosthat binds Socrates and Alcibiades together is not the one ascribed by the pederastic relationship, but Plato confers to it new and different features. Reuben Ramsey treats Plato's embarrassment over the problem of Alcibiades: how could Socrates go for a guy like that and, more alarmingly, why didn't he do something about Alcibiades before it was too late? It suggests how popular Alcibiades-Socrates gossip proved to be in the fourth century, a popularity further attested by the sheer number of Platonic, pseudo-Platonic, and extra-Platonic dialogues that treat this relationship, arguably one of the most notorious love stories in Ancient Greek literature. 2012. Not long after Alcibiades set sail for Sicily, the people of Athens recalled him to stand trial for religious desecration. The essay calls attention as well to the parallels between the ambitions of the 20-year-old Alcibiades and those of the world-conquering Alexander the Great. Alcibiades‘ very aggressive political stance led his enemies to run him out of Athens on the charge of sacrilege. Therefore, the soul recollects its prenatal knowledge during the elenchus, and in this sense, Proclus' Commentary on AI is a kind of metacommentary on the whole of Socratic method. He was rich. Here Alcibiades invokes the democratic ideology that Socrates in AI and elsewhere (Ap 25b) rejects, to the effect that the many, just as they serve as competent teachers of Greek, also serve as competent teachers of virtue. In Platonic Studies (pp. In "Did Alcibiades Learn Justice from the Many? But what of the self-knowledge seemingly on offer in the AI? Despite this expectation, when Alcibiades’ beard started to grow and all his lovers abandoned him, Socrates … When he wore out his welcome in Sparta, Alcibiades went to the third great power in the area, namely, Persia, which was the traditional enemy of all Greeks alike. Socrates, Alcibiades says, is “ironical eirôneuomenos) and spends his whole life playing with people. We can now understand the flexibility of Baynham and Tarrant's account of the dialogue's provenance: as a late Platonic dialogue imitating the Socratic dialogues, as a document composed in Polemo's Academy, or as a mirror for princes, with Alcibiades the foil for Alexander the Great. AI is truly a mirror for the soul. Learn more about how the exile of Alcibiades by the Athenians gives Lysander his chance to prove himself. Alcibiades went first to Sparta, Athens’ greatest enemy. He also appears in several significant works of modern literature. Understanding Alcibiades’ relationship with Socrates is central to understanding . Understanding Alcibiades’ relationship with Socrates is central to understanding Socrates’ role as a teacher, as well as to understanding philosophy’s public or political face. The family of Cleinias had old connections with the Spartan aristocracy through a relationship of xenia, and the name "Alcibiades" was of Spartan origin. Helfer's book deftly moves readers deeper into those dynamics. Hence, he remains impervious to the charms of young men; he rather uses the trappings of conventional love to disguise his true purpose, which is always and only philosophy. The very statement of this staggering ambition, a young kid who literally wants to rule the world, would seem to put Socrates and Alcibiades farther apart. Socrates was convicted and sentenced to death, after all, on accusations of Alcibiades’ main activity with Socrates was conversing (217), and when Alcibiades’ tried to make their relationship more erotic, Socrates responds that “what you say is good” and offers to deliberate (to think about issues) together with him (219 A, B). ), Alcibiades and the Socratic Lover-Educator, Bloomsbury, 2012, 272pp., $130.00 (hbk), ISBN 9780715640869. Judging by his actions, that is exactly what he was trying to do with Alcibiades. 254 pp. So began his rather astonishing political ride. Alcibiades was a prominent Athenian statesman, orator, and general. If we read the AI in this way, we come to see that modern scholars may be singularly out of touch with the ancient understanding of the meaning of Socratic eros, or even of Socratic ethics, both of which many moderns continue to construe as egoistic. Socrates begins wooing Alcibiades, if that’s the right expression, in a time-honored way: He flatters him. Socrates’ attempt to converse with Alcibiades is unrivaled in the Platonic corpus; of those conversations initiated by Socrates, this is by far his most aggressive effort. Two appendices are impressive technical investigations of the vexed question of AI's chronology and authenticity, and are admirable for being informative, unbiased, original investigations all at once. Socrates’ privileged relationship with a divine being is an essential feature of his self-presentation. As the relationship between Socrates and Alcibiades deviated from the normal model, it followed that the two were not forced to play within the traditional guidelines and, thus… Vlastos, G. 1973. George Papadakis. In one incident in Alcibiades 3 Alcibiades ran away from home to the house of Democrates, one of his lovers. By the end of the dialogue, though, this is what Alcibiades says: I want to say the following; that we will probably be changing roles, Socrates, I taking yours and you mine, for from this day nothing can keep me from attending on you, and you from being attended on by me. Counter to conventional interpretation, Helfer reads these texts as presenting a coherent narrative, spanning nearly two decades, of the relationship between Socrates and his most notorious pupil. He aided Sparta in ways that did real damage to Athens. He is said to have saved Socrates’ life at the Battle of Potia in 432 BC. Socrates’ association with Alcibiades has been made possible only by the retraction of the divine prohibition, which may return, for all we know, at any time. He decided not to return to Athens. Alcibiades’ speech changes the direction of the conversation from praising Agathon to praising Socrates. This is a transcript from the video series Masters of Greek Thought: Plato, Socrates, and Aristotle. The action or drama of the Alcibiades I includes an amazing transformation: At the beginning of the dialogue, the poor and rather obscure Socrates presents himself as a lover courting the handsome and sought-after Alcibiades who is, at best, indifferent to Socrates at the beginning. Who was Alcibiades? In short, Alcibiades managed to fight on three different sides in the same war; even more amazing than that, he eventually succeeded in having himself recalled to Athens, after all that he had done against his city. This resemblance is not only in appearance, but also in qualities; he describes Socrates as impudent, contemptuous and vile. All rights reserved. Alcibiades was clearly emotionally damaged in a permanent way by Socrates’ romantic rejection, a rejection that came directly as a result of Socrates’ distance from the physical. But the papers share a Classical Studies orientation to the dialogue, as distinct from the methods of analytic philosophy. In other words, Alcibiades took the fall for the missteps of an entire era. In our text[1] the best mirror for the soul is god: "the way that we can best see and know ourselves is to use the finest mirror available and look at God, and, on the human level, the virtue of the soul" (133c16-17). In short, Alcibiades seemed to have the world by the tail. The many can't teach virtue, Socrates argues, since disagreement characterizes those who do not know; experts tend to agree. Socratic method then is equated to self-knowledge. Yet Socrates here states, “It is not possible for all these things you have in mind to be brought to completion without me.” In effect, Socrates says, if you want to rule the world, come see me first. Among the many interesting features of the essay, Sharpe shows how Alcibiades II reads like a tragedy, meditating on both aphrosune (madness), construed as active desire for what is harmful, and megalopsuchia (great-souledness). Is the individual beloved because she is loved, or rather is she loved because she is loveable? For the record, Socrates’ interests in Alcibiades do prove to be entirely of the soul rather than of the body. Socrates’ role as a teacher, as well as to understanding philosophy’s public or political . What follows is a classic example of Socratic dialectic or conversational scrutiny. He found further evidence of Socrates' admirable qualities when the … ISSN: 1538 - 1617 What Was Greek Philosophy Before Socrates. 15 Ibid., 21 6a. ",Joe Mintoff works with the Great Speech of the Protagoras, along with other resources, tries to help Alcibiades defend his assertion that he learns justice from "people in general," (AI 110E 2-3). It is relatively clear th… 3-43). Proclus understands the interlocutor as under examination by his own inner deity (intellect) in so far as the soul's activity of thinking through philosophical puzzles posed in the elenchus constitutes an opportunity for the projection (probole) of the logos previously latent in the soul. [1] The irony here is that this theomorphic self may or may not be part of the "original" text. Socrates is unusually eager to talk to Alcibiades; he initiates the conversation and does his best to capture Alcibiades’ attention. A born and raised Athenian, he lived from about 450 to 404 BC. No other person, apart from Socrates himself, of course, appears as frequently in the dialogues. Ramsey argues that the Protagoras and Gorgias obliquely address the odd combination of Socrates' mentorship and Alcibiades's moral failings. Plato presents Socrates and Alcibiades together in a total of four dialogues which chronicle the beginning, the middle, and the end of their time together. So began his rather astonishing political ride. Young as he is, he thinks he is ready to lead the city. re pu ls iv e an d se du ct iv e. Copyright © 2021 Notre Dame Philosophical Reviews It is an amazing transformation. Alcibiades was remarkably handsome. The first five speeches contradicted each other and were reconciled in Diotima’s speech, especially her speech about “Ladder if love” and “love of wisdom ”, which implies the delicate relationship between Alcibiades and Socrates. This man made $2.8 million swing trading stocks from home. “He who knows not himself and his belongings, will not know others and their belongings, and therefore he will not know the affairs of states.” (Jowett’s note) Appendix II, "Report on the Working Vocabulary of the Doubtful Dialogues," by Tarrant and Terrence Roberts, shows that the AI is not likely, at least on the criterion of vocabulary, to belong to early Plato. The Speech of Alcibiades Alcibiades begins by comparing Socrates to a statue of Silenus and the satyr Marsyas. At any rate, Thucydides says that Alcibiades’ conduct of the war was second to none and that he could be blamed only for the conduct of his private life, which provoked the envy or the resentment of the people who were the obvious bedrock of the democracy. Philosophical conversation involves mutual care of the interlocutors for each other's souls, as well as a concern with virtue, so dialectic forms a model for the reciprocal love toward which Socrates aspires in his relationship with Alcibiades (in both theSymposium and AI) but which he ultimately fails to obtain, owing to Alcibiades' obstructive attachments. Hence the other is necessarily occluded from view. Alcibiades supposes, and Socrates at first gives him reason to suppose, that Socrates is just another fellow courting the handsome young man in the ancient Greek manner. Marguerite Johnson and Harold Tarrant (eds.). At any rate, AI also raises the question: If harm and benefit are always and only harm or benefit to the self, then just what is this self? So what, then, does Alcibiades long for? His family was one of the most distinguished in Greece. Plato, to begin with, acknowledges that Socrates had some sort of pedagogical relationship with Alcibiades, and he even “emphasizes [the relationship’s] length and intimacy” 3. Alcibiades went to live with his uncle, who happened to be none other than the greatest democratic statesman in Athens, Pericles. Critias’ first certain appearance in the historical record is as an alleged participant in the mutilation of the herms in 415 BC. Alcibiades was a rock star Athenian statesmen with handsome good looks, money, and a clever mind. As the historian Thucydides tells us, Alcibiades lived his private life in a very extravagant way. Alcibiades Πολύτροπος Thucydides —open interpretative perspectives which are also delineated in the dialogue and in some cases with great subtlety and economy. The lesson here could well be, "do as I do, not as I say." Socrates seeks to discover what it is that Alcibiades thinks he knows, such that he can now skillfully guide Athenian public affairs. From the lecture series: Masters of Greek Thought — Plato, Socrates, and Aristotle. Whatever we might think of Alcibiades—colorful, talented, treacherous, and complicated—it is an odd thing for Plato to choose to shine a spotlight on him as a student of Socrates. In partic - ular, eroswill be depicted as a tool of philosophical education. Socrates' daimon, eros, is paradoxically unique to Socrates but also an exemplum, suggesting the correct way to love, which is to benefit and improve, to act with beneficence rather than selfishness. In 1969, Vlastos (published 1973) delivered the following challenge: "that to love a person we must wish that person's good for that person's sake -- not for ours, is something Aristotle understands. Yes, AI offers a more complicated account of courage than we find in the elenctic dialogues, but that only makes it inconsistent with them, and not necessarily spurious. These dialogues include, of course, the Symposium and Protagoras, but also Alcibiades II, Aeschines' Alcibiades, Phaedo's Zopyrus, and the [Pseudo?-] Platonic Alcibiades I. Ultimately, Alcibiades' tragic ambition proved fatal for philosophy, as Socrates himself became the target of those seeking to improve the state and impugning the philosopher because of his ill-fated beloved. This is clearly narrated in Plato's “symposium”. We can then contrast the so-called doctrine of eros in the Symposium, which does perhaps involve using the beloved as a means to enlightenment, with Socrates' life and loves. face. The piece stands as a convincing reply to possible objections to the study of the AI in its historical and literary contexts. Yet if Socrates and Alcibiades represent that other mismatch, the irrational side of human nature and our better, enlightened selves, the romance seems one with which all mortals are acquainted. But if AI is not genuine and if it suggests that eros is concerned with the well-being of the beloved for his own sake, then what import could it have on our understanding of Plato's Socrates? The Alcibiades I introduces the relationship between Socrates and Alcibiades, which Plato evidently thought was very important. Counter to conventional interpretation, Helfer reads these texts as presenting a coherent narrative, spanning nearly two decades, of the relationship between Socrates and his most notorious pupil. Does Plato?" In this paper I examine Plato’s response to … According to the AI's erotic optics, one of the pair looks into the eyes of the other member and sees himself: eros operates as self-projection. Socrates adds, “If I thought you were satisfied with these, I would never have approached you.” For Alcibiades, it turns out, wants something more out of life, even more than what he has. We have to ask, how does this obscure fellow Socrates succeed in making of Alcibiades not the pursued but the pursuer, eager to spend time with Socrates above all others? When the lover gazes into the eye of the beloved he does find not his true self, rather he worships a god made in his own image, an idolatrous usurpation of the genuinely optical operations in the love relationship, which are (maybe surprisingly) better found in Xenophon. Although the story of Alcibiades' flight can probably be It ends with two intriguing speculations, first that the dialogue belongs to a genre of fourth century sympotic literature, and second that the dialogue may be the repository of different historical layers, possibly developing (as, the authors suggest, the speeches in Plato's Symposium seem to do) as part of an oral tradition. When we look at how the AI stands on the unity of the virtues, we find first that courage seems not to be a virtue at all, since Socrates demonstrates that it is not an unqualified good, while justice is unqualifiedly good. He was, quite simply, one of the most astonishing figures in all antiquity. There are also sporadic references to Critias’ participation in some of the major events of the last years of the Peloponnesian war. In short, Alcibiades seemed to have the world by the tail. Cambridge. Tarrant discusses the possible provenance of both AI and the Theages in Polemo's academy, where perhaps long association with, if not outright devotion to, a teacher was requisite for the transmission of the scholarchy. Sharpe argues that the author wants to indicate that political ambition, whose crowning virtue is megalopsuchia, is inherently tragic. Alcibiades the… "— The Review of Politics Yugi Kurihara, in "Socratic Ignorance",highlights the disavowal of knowledge, comparing the Apology's formula, "I don't think I know (Ap. Wohl's paper suggests that the very structure of erotic self-knowledge, wherein the lover comes to see himself in the eyes of the beloved, occludes knowledge of self or other. College of Arts and Letters Plato presents Socrates and Alcibiades together in four dialogues. Or we might argue that the Socratic paradigm as it operated in the Socratic literature of Plato as well as in thespuria, from the Apology ("the Olympian victor makes you think yourself happy; I make you be happy." Appendix I, by Elizabeth Baynham and Tarrant, "Fourth-century Politics and the Date of the Alcibiades I," starts by reassuring us that "no fourth century BC date seems to be excluded" and even allows an early third century date. He was a brilliant orator and fearsome general. Xenophon argues that Alcibiades was moderate or self-controlled for as long as he was with Socrates and that he became so extravagant only when he broke with Socrates. Again according to what are essentially developmentalist arguments, the situation changes in the Republic, for example, where courage is the function of the spirited part of the soul in aligning itself with the pronouncements of the intellect (R 429b), and justice is the agreement among all the parts about which part is to rule. Socrates takes a guess. Eugenio Benitez makes an attempt to defend AI's possible authenticity despite its doctrinal inconsistency with what another scholar has called "secure knowledge" about Socratic philosophy in the elenctic dialogues, including that it is committed to the unity of virtue, equivalent to knowledge of the good. Alcibiades went first to Sparta, Athens’ greatest enemy. 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